Bay Crossings Interview
Chuck Foster Speaks His Mind
Many people feel a regional
perspective is necessary to cope with issues like overburdened
airports. Why not a regional Port Authority to run Oakland and San
Francisco airports, and for that matter, the seaports as well?
That suggestion has surfaced on
many occasions, not only in the Bay Area, but also around the
country. There’s been resistance, and I think a lot of it is
because airports are community assets, and communities have pride
in their assets. So I think it will be an uphill battle to ever
move toward the control becoming regional as opposed to local. But
that doesn’t preclude alliances between airports. You’re
hearing more and more about it in the corporate sector,
particularly as you look at the airline industry and the maritime
industry. So I think to protect the asset that is of value to a
given community or particular jurisdiction, and not fight an
uphill battle of regionalization, the effort should really focus
on building alliances and fostering greater coordination between
airports and other transportation/planning agencies.
Seaports must be continually
dredged. The Port of Oakland had to overcome potent environmental
opposition to work currently underway, but the forecast is for
ever-larger container ships that will require even more dredging.
Will the environmental community permit the dredging that the Port
of Oakland needs to do in order to remain a world-class port, or
will you have to give up business to super ports like Seattle and
Long Beach?
Ocean carrier operators and
containership builders believe that ships in the future are going
to pretty much remain at a draft of about 46 to 47 feet. Maersk
Shipping Lines’ largest vessel has a draft depth of 47.5 feet,
but generally the industry is remaining in the range of 46 to 47
feet, and deepening our channels to minus 50 feet in depth will
more than adequately meet what we believe are the needs of the
industry. What we are going to see are vessels that are wider and
longer, but not necessarily deeper draft. When a vessel requires
deeper draft, it means that significant changes must be made to
the propulsion system of these vessels. I think there will be
discussions regarding faster vessels. Undoubtedly, if they’re
going faster, they’re looking at reducing the draft depth, but
today what we’re seeing are wider and longer vessels. These
larger containerships will carry up to 8,000 containers.
Recently, there was talk that
the Port of Oakland would hand the Oakland/Alameda Ferry over to
AC Transit. Would the Port of Oakland rather be out of the ferry
business?
We want what works best overall
for the transportation industry. If overall it appears that there
should be a greater alliance with surface transportation systems,
we’re open to options that would improve the overall level of
service to the public.
Like MTC, the Port of Oakland
was unenthusiastic about plans for the new San Francisco Water
Transit Authority. Why?
I disagree that the Port was
unenthusiastic. We were a party to the efforts of the Authority
and, in fact, funded a number of initiatives (public relations
video, consultant services) associated with the work of the task
force. The Port has been a party to, and very much engaged in, the
efforts of the Water Transit Authority right from the beginning.
Our concern is urgency. We feel a real urgency to address the
movement of express mail and express cargo by ferry system rather
than adding more trucks to an already congested highway system. We
embrace the efforts of the Water Transit Authority. We must all
operate with a sense of urgency.
The Port of Oakland is studying
the possibility of a cargo ferry designed to get trucks handling
overnight packages off the road. The largest potential user of
such a service is FedEx, a very large tenant of yours in Oakland,
which is a stridently anti-union company. Can you imagine
non-union ferries on San Francisco Bay?
I’ve learned in working with
partners, businesses and friends that you don’t start with
issues that polarize relationships because if you do that, you don’t
get to the next step. At this point, the Port’s interest has
been to work to identify a system that works. I’ve had two
delegations of air cargo and express mail carrier operators travel
to Vancouver, British Columbia, to spend a day on a Hovercraft
operated by the Canadian Coast Guard. This technology can move
significant volumes of cargo. We’re still exploring other
technologies and looking at other cities around the world in terms
of what systems they’re using to move express mail cargo. We are
more interested at this point in identifying a system and doing
due diligence on such a system. The end user will ultimately
determine whether a ferry system could reasonably be integrated in
their respective cargo business operation.
The Port of Oakland operates at
arms length from its parent City of Oakland because of a scandal
in the early 1900s. What was that about?
Before 1927 there were
questions as to how the waterfront was being used in the context
of public versus private participation and ownership. We’re way
beyond that today, and I don’t like to waste a lot of time on
history that I don’t think brings any value. I focus on moving
forward and, in that vein, the Port and the City are arm in arm in
terms of how we best utilize our waterfront to better serve the
needs of our Bay Region.
Mayor Jerry Brown makes no
bones about wanting to have greater control over your operations.
Do you worry about the effect that greater political involvement
may have on the way that you conduct business?
I think there were some
concerns earlier on but I’m delighted to say that the Mayor has
been extremely supportive of the Port. He has engaged in a number
of meetings and conversations with our customers and offered to
help market and promote our airport, seaport and commercial real
estate development. The Mayor expects the Port to be accountable,
and we will respond accordingly.
The Port of Oakland prides
itself on being a government agency that’s run like a business.
Isn’t that like being a little bit pregnant? Can or even should
a public agency with the problems or limitations of public service
be entrepreneurial?
The Oakland City Charter in its
wisdom set aside the Port as an enterprise organization, meaning
we have to operate in many respects as a business. Although the
Port is a public agency, I have never believed that it precludes
the Port from being productive, efficient and run like a business.
We have a commitment to our stakeholders in much the same way the
corporate community has a commitment to its shareholder. Our
commitment is somewhat more complex. We’re not only interested
in a bottom line return on investment, but also interested in
addressing social, cultural, economic and environmental issues
affecting the City of Oakland, the Bay Area and the region.
The Waterfront is very hot all
around the Bay with developers clamoring to do deals; yet, Jack
London Square continues to struggle with many empty storefronts.
Why?
There are only two storefronts
vacant, and they are under negotiations, so there will be no
vacancies in the Jack London Square Waterfront area within the
next 45 to 60 days. We are engaged in an exclusive negotiating
agreement with Ellis Group to further develop the Jack London
Square Waterfront area. We are currently demolishing the Jack
London Village site in preparation for a 20 to 25 story full
service, first-class hotel development with retail elements within
the next 18 months. So the Jack London Square Waterfront is on the
move. Literally, every parcel of land that we have available to
offer to the market is in some state of negotiation at this time.
Jack London Square has done very well and will continue to do so.
So the impression that some
have that the Jack London Square development has been a
frustration for the Port of Oakland is inaccurate?
If you track the history since
1986, when the Port built out the first phase of Jack London
Square, we unfortunately entered the market at a time when there
was a significant downturn in the market. So that project hit the
market at a very inopportune time, but we carried the project
through the difficult period and we are delighted with what has
happened to date.
Your empire contains some of
the most exciting live, work and play opportunities anywhere –
the Fruitvale district and the Navy Base just to name two. Are
there plans to develop them like Jack London Square?
Yes, there are. The next phase
will be the Oak Street to Ninth Avenue terminal. Ultimately, the
third phase will include Embarcadero Cove and the Fruitvale area.
There will be office, recreational and retail development in the
seven to 10 year timeframe.
What would you give us as a
timeframe for all that?
Oak to Ninth Avenue – five to
seven years. The Request for Proposals for the Oak to Ninth Avenue
development should be sent out in 60 days. A number of Waterfront
tenants have long-term leases, which will result in some delay in
the redevelopment of some Waterfront parcels.
Shippers needs the Port of
Oakland’s long waterfront for what they do but residents of the
whole Bay Area want access to your magnificent waterfront too. Is
it difficult to balance these two seemingly mutually exclusive
aims?
I think what we’ve seen in
the last 10 years is sort of a resurgence of interest in the
Waterfront. For many years, communities have lived around the
water and took it for granted and didn’t really appreciate the
magnificence of our Waterfront, particularly the Estuary. I am
delighted to see the community reclaim the Waterfront. So it means
that our development programs should include increased access to
the Waterfront. New terminal facilities will include public access
components.